it is almost beyond belief, is hough it not? so, for me, i just have to tell you, since i know all the decisions we have to make are not intellectually demanding, they just take political courage, i cannot agree to any process like it s learn -- we have hadwo dry runs. thcongre put the fiscal solvthat issue right now - at is whatneed to do count me out. >> mar do you want to take > you ise a great point. thiss whpeople's eyes say whatever you want t say, bhe notion, and this is margaret's approach a little bet -- i do think there will be a relationship between revenues and entitlements if we need to go bigger, we ed that the american people is going to buy into this notion of, ok, we will t thes taxes go up. then we go through this magical witching hour -- 90% disapproval goes up to 99% disapproval. that you have to get north of three -- you do this, you will get 500 in interest savings alone. they should not be as challenging as it is. one other thing -- the only thing i would disagree with bob a little, that is on the fact and